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z5_
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#1 - Posted: 28 Dec 2006 23:51
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I've got the distinct feeling that quite a few people register on A.D.A in order to vote and rank demos higher / lower in the charts. For example, somebody who shall not be named voted 3/5 for 8 of the top 10 demos in the chart and 5/5 for one other demo in the top 10. And then you have the people who register and only vote for 2 demos: either a high vote for starstruck and a low one for planet potion or vice versa.

When i added the charts, i knew that this could and probably would happen. However, i had hoped that honest votes would still give people a good idea of what the best demos on Amiga are.

If the trend continues, i might reconsider: scrap the voting, chuck away the charts and why not pack it in all together...

To all those fake voters: please grow up.

Just wanted to get this off my chest.
dalton
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#2 - Posted: 29 Dec 2006 16:25
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That really sucks. I have similar problems on my gameboy site. I guess you could track down and lock IP's but that's really no fun at all.
winden
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#3 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006 09:39
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There is a saying which goes like "any rules for voting can be faked if people want to fake it". I recall being surprised when first coming to ADA that people upvoted their own prods, but you know, if everyone is upvoting their own prods then in the end it doesn't matter.

Now the scheme about registering just to up/down the top 5 feels like crazy ass backwards, more like a drunken prank than anything else... I recall for example tuning my votes on the top five demos lately just to try to get it nearer to my own pref list... is this really cheating? I was not really sure, but if voting is a means to express your own preferences, then maybe it's ok...

As always, voting gets to be a popularity contest instead of a preferences contest, we are all emotional and there are always small vocal groups like the "tbl fanboys", the "potion fanboys", the "we hate namevoters" movement...

Heh too wasted to really coord any speech on this... anyways don't despair, namevoting suxx; you could always put up a "hall of shame" with the most extreme "namevoting-oriented votes versus number of votes" :)
xeron
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#4 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006 11:59
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z5:

You could reduce it by doing email verification of all new accounts, and setting a login-independant cookie to say which prods have been voted for already from that machine. Also, store IPs upon voting in a database, and then ban that IP from voting for that prod for 48 hours or so. (don't give an error if the cookie or IP stops a vote; just silently ignore the vote).
z5_
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#5 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006 17:29
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I recall for example tuning my votes on the top five demos lately just to try to get it nearer to my own pref list... is this really cheating? I was not really sure, but if voting is a means to express your own preferences, then maybe it's ok...

@winden: as long as you give the vote you think it deserves, there's no cheating involved.

@xeron: i could take some measures but i won't. Besides, that wouldn't stop the cheating. For example: somebody could still register once and downvote every prod he wants to.... There is no telling if somebody actually cheats or not. But if somebody registers, vote 8 of the top 10 prods 3/5 and one 5/5, then this really sounds like cheating to me.

It wouldn't be as bad if i had loads of votes (meaning fake votes playing a smaller part of the total) but i haven't.
Toffeeman
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#6 - Posted: 31 Dec 2006 15:05
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It's very hard to stop this sort of thing online. I mean Pouet just kept it as simple as they could for this reason. Looking at the top 10 demos though it's working really well in general so I'd leave it as it is for now.

It's great to see the best OCS,AGA and 060 demos all together in the same chart. At least it means peope respect the lower limitations coders had to work with on the A500 when comparing todays 060 demos which have like 50x the processing power (?).

I tend not to vote for the new 060 demos (had to vote for Starstruck though!) because I've never seen them run on a real Amiga. The PPC/GFX card demos I just don't know what the limitation is of the system so I have no idea how good the coder is making of the resources.

 

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