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z5_
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#1 - Posted: 13 Aug 2006 15:00
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@kalms:

Is the final version going to have changes "content-wise" (things you weren't happy with or that you didn't have time for) or will it be exactly the same demo but optimized for real miggy?
z5_
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#2 - Posted: 13 Aug 2006 18:22
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On a sidenote, this demo pushed Planet Potion from the top spot in the A.D.A charts, which is quite remarkable since Planet Potion has been there for as long as i can remember :o)

So Mavey, where are you? Time to come back, i think :o)
Overflow
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#3 - Posted: 14 Aug 2006 03:39 - Edited
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EDIT: Just noticed a mpeg file has been attached to the demo page. Thanks :)

Id love to see this production but will need a avi/stream to watch it.

Any links to a videorecording of this demo?
Kalms
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#4 - Posted: 14 Aug 2006 10:43
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z5:

Ideally we'd like to work on content, performance, and memory & diskspace consumption (roughly in that order). What will actually get done depends on our inspiration during September.
Overflow
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#5 - Posted: 14 Aug 2006 18:14
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Watched the Demo. Simply brilliant! Still listening to he music non stop via delitracker :)
Kalms
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#6 - Posted: 14 Aug 2006 19:08
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kufa:

I haven't tried any classic ADPCM codecs; we're using a similar, but less documented, algorithm. I don't have any good advice off the top of my head.

I'll be back in Lkpg for real in about 2 weeks time (currently travelling like a yo-yo between Sthlm and other ends of the country), and I'll get in touch then!
skan
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#7 - Posted: 31 Aug 2006 12:18
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Xeron wrote:
Would you consider a 48Mb version for strange people like me with 32Mb on the Blizzard and 16Mb on the SCSI? ;-)

Same setup here! =)
Well, 16 on the Blizzy and 32 on the SCSI to be honest... ;)

@kalms
thank you TBL mates for releasing such a masterpiece.
I really hope your "inspiration during September" will be high and happy... ;)
z5_
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#8 - Posted: 11 Oct 2006 11:59
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Any news on the final version? Have you started on it yet?
Kalms
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#9 - Posted: 14 Oct 2006 13:47
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z5:
er, yeah. I got sidetracked by sports and hosting parties lately though... Will try to have it done at the end of the month (roughly).
z5_
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#10 - Posted: 14 Oct 2006 15:59
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@kalms:

nice :o) While we have your attention, is there any place we can download the original version of the Requiem demo tune (as aked in another thread)?
SaxxonPike
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#11 - Posted: 22 Oct 2006 09:20 - Edited
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The ADPCM compression used is VAG, same as the one used for the Sony Playstation.

Amazing demo, by the way. I haven't figured out how to use WinUAE to get it working, nor do I have a method to get it working on my real one...
skan
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#12 - Posted: 4 Jul 2009 12:29
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The final is out on Atari Falcon and NOT on Amiga...
NOW, I'm sad.
skan
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#13 - Posted: 5 Jul 2009 14:54
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Ok, sadness' gone now.
But the anger remains.

Not only "the others" have the final, but it runs even smoother!

I demand an "Only Amiga makes it possible" (read: "CAN'T be ported to any other shitty platform") demo by TBL as soon as possible!!!

;)
noname
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#14 - Posted: 6 Jul 2009 11:56
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Skan, is that you in this video?
skan
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#15 - Posted: 6 Jul 2009 12:38
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OMFG, now I have no secrets left!
Toffeeman
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#16 - Posted: 8 Jul 2009 19:51
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The improved frame rate really improves it. Is this just the difference of not having todo chunky to planar? Thanks a bunch Commodore !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqS37B9-FXY
extralife
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#17 - Posted: 8 Jul 2009 23:25
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omfg!!! this falcon version is absolutely killing the amiga version in every possible way, i am truely impressed here and as skan said a little sad :). thx for sharing that link toffeeman
skan
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#18 - Posted: 12 Aug 2009 11:44
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@Toffeeman

I think that 100mhz 68060 and PC133 SDRAM do the job! ;)

That said, according to Evil's comment on the Silkcut video:

"For effects updating the entire screen 8bit is faster, and this demo uses bitplanes with c2p. The same c2p routine from Kalms (a bit adapted to the Falcon interleaved bitplanes)."
I think they used the very same routines?
pmc
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#19 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 13:30
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I'd seen this demo in WinUAE a number of times a while back but I recently managed to get a Blizzard 1260 / 128Mb RAM installed in my A1200 and watched on the real thing.

Let me just say that this demo R U L E S!

While I really like this one, as a relatively novice coder these are the type of prods I watch and think "there is no way on the face of this earth that I will ever be able to code something like that ever!"

Therefore an astounding *and* depressing (:-P) demo all at the same time!
mikro
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#20 - Posted: 9 Aug 2010 12:40
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@skan: They ;) use exactly the same routines, only noticeable difference is sound processing -- full-blown mp2 in stereo instead of mono ADPCM. DSP has made this possible. Rest is just system init / deinit stuff.
skan
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#21 - Posted: 9 Aug 2010 15:09
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@mikro
Thx, I already knew about the DSP part! ;)
Oh, btw: I know I may have sounded like a moronic zealot with those comments, but I sometimes forget not everybody knows me well and that I'm not much serious usually...
Oh and I have some friends in the Atari scene too! (SHOCK!!!) ;P
z5_
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#22 - Posted: 9 Aug 2010 17:11 - Edited
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Bonkers was mentioning on the new Ephidrena demo that Lux had "this is the last demo we will ever do" written all over it. In retrospect, wasn't Starstruck the same for TBL amiga division? I mean, it won the biggest (high end) pc demo compo and places in the all time top 10 pouet charts. What can you still achieve after that?

It's a pity that tbl amiga never did more 64k intros or smaller demo projects in between the blockbusters. An intro like Imitation None would still kick ass in any 64k compo in 2010 and that intro was released 12 years ago. Same goes for smaller demoprojects like Mokkademo 2001 which was a great demo.

With TBL, the only way was up, bigger, better, more epic. After Starstruck, there probably wasn't much more to achieve. I hope i'm wrong and i hope to see another tbl amiga demo. But the 4 years of silence since Starstruck isn't giving me much hope.

I assume a smaller project in a different style would probably be the only way to recover from making such demos?
skan
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#23 - Posted: 10 Aug 2010 13:18
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You mean something like "Stars don,t strike"?
z5_
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#24 - Posted: 11 Aug 2010 12:08
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doh... i was trying to do a serious conversation. You should try it sometime, skan.

now where is that ban button in the forum again...

hehe :)
skan
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#25 - Posted: 11 Aug 2010 14:25
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Nah, life is serious enough! ;D
On a serious note ("haha sure!!!"), I see your point and I agree.
But you can still ban me. I'm OK. ;P
Frog
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#26 - Posted: 11 Aug 2010 19:53
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I'm agree with z5, it would be interested to see what wellknown/famous programmers who have released big demos in the past can do in 64K/4K : where are you Exploder, Scout, Dr.Jekyll, Sonik clique, Industry, Nature Artwork, Haujobb, Sanity and many others.

oh and i forget, Essence and Embassy we're waiting for your new demos !

Thanks to those who are still supporting amiga with new prods
z5_
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#27 - Posted: 11 Aug 2010 21:19 - Edited
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In any case, i was not trying to speak in tbl's name ofcourse. Just trying to imagine that it must be hard to come up with / find motivation after such a long row of blockbuster demos. And to state that the "smaller" tbl projects were great too.

Also, all sceners have full time jobs/family to take care of now. So each new demo still being released is something i see as a gift.

On top of that, most are probably doing computer related jobs. Sitting in front of a computer at work the whole day and then coming home to sit in front of a computer again is really hard to maintain.
d0DgE
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#28 - Posted: 9 Sep 2010 11:44
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z5_:
On top of that, most are probably doing computer related jobs. Sitting in front of a computer at work the whole day and then coming home to sit in front of a computer again is really hard to maintain.

You nailed it.
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